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LA SALETTE

Did Mary appear on the Holy Mountain?

 

 

La Salette is a mountain near Grenoble in France.  There on September 19th, 1846, the Virgin Mary, Mother of Jesus Christ who is God in Catholic dogma, allegedly appeared to Melanie Mathieu and Maximin Giraud when they were tending cows.  These apparitions were given the approval of the Church in 1851 (page 111, The Thunder of Justice).

 

They saw a bright light which opened to show a Lady sitting inside weeping.  She wore white shoes with different colours of roses on them and a gold apron.  A white cap with a crown and roses reposed upon her head.  Her face was pale and she shone like a bright light.  The Catholic encyclopaedia says that the sun was shining at the time. 

 

The real Virgin would not have had white skin for in the New Testament, Mary is a Jewess.  Christians claim that she is the mother of God for Jesus her son was not only man but was God as well.

 

Melanie said that the apparition said, “If my people do not submit, I shall be forced to let go the hand of my Son.  It is so strong and heavy, that I can no longer withhold it.  For how long a time do I suffer for you!  If I would not have my Son abandon you, I am compelled to pray to Him without ceasing.  As to you, you take no heed of it.”

 

She is saying she cannot stop him as if she could stop him.  This is blasphemy.  God is his own boss.

 

And how could the Virgin suffer when she is with God?  To see God is to be perfectly happy for it is possessing infinite goodness and love.  She will also see the outcomes of sin and suffering out of which God brings good so how could she be so sad?

 

The apparitions plainly infer that the Virgin is the real god and better than God for he cannot even fill her heart with joy.

 

The Virgin complained about people breaking the Sabbath day.  Next she said that they could do nothing without using the holy name of Jesus in a rude way.  “These are the two things which make the hand of my Son so heavy”.  She said that the failure of the potatoes of the previous year was a warning but one which was ignored.  That was silly.  If God is so mysterious then how can you tell if it is a warning or just a way to do some good?  The Lady predicted a famine for the region which actually did happen.  The Lady said that if the people converted “the rocks will change into loads of wheat, and the potatoes will be self-sown on the lands.”  So this Lady knows the non-existent future so well that she is sure that God will be able to do such miracles!  How ludicrous!  The miracles are silly as well considering how God likes to be fairly secretive.  They are really super-miracles.  Believers don’t take her literally here.  They take her metaphorically.  But should they?  No- they only take her that way because the rocks didn’t turn into wheat and angels didn’t come to sow the potatoes. If an ordinary person said that I might take her metaphorically but if a being from Heaven says it I would take it literally.  Remember the rule, if it can be literal then it must be taken literally.   

 

The Lady told the children to say at least an Our Father and Hail Mary well morning and evening and more if they had the time.  The real Virgin would have told them they could pray anytime even while washing themselves in the stream for prayer is a wilful desire for God.

 

Many say that the Virgin’s prophecies were fulfilled and that it is difficult to deny this.  “There is no doubt that the content of the La Salette messages was made known publicly before these prophecies were fulfilled” (The Evidence for Visions of the Virgin Mary, page 139).  But the prophecies were understandable considering that the crops went bad the previous year.  They could have been good guesses helped along by good luck.  But if the Virgin promised miracle crops if the people repented then why didn’t this happen those who did turn back to God?  But with so many apparitions making predictions and many of them being wrong this is hardly impressive.  It is only natural that some apparitions will get it right.  It only means their guesses came true.

 

The Virgin told Melanie a secret and Melanie said later that she was permitted to tell it in 1858.  Keeping something a secret like that and then telling it seems silly.  There was no reason for it.  Plainly, Melanie concocted the secret.  The Church believes that the secret Melanie revealed was made up by her.  That is the Church’s excuse for believing in the apparitions but not in the secret for the secret is silly.  We must remember that the church didn’t want to look foolish by rescinding its decree that the apparitions were real when Melanie started making outrageous claims about what the Vision had said.  To accept the apparition as real is to break the law of God given in Deuteronomy 18 that if a prophet claiming to be inspired by God gets it all right and then makes one blunder that the prophet is to be rejected entirely as a fraud.  The miracle of correct prophecy then must be attributed to some other source but not God for God never inspires error or makes mistakes.  To accept Melanie’s account of the apparition then is heretical and sinful.  The lady she saw was not the Virgin Mary.  The real Virgin would choose the right messenger.

 

The secret says, “There is no one left worthy of offering a stainless sacrifice to the Eternal God for the sake of the world”.  This is frankly impossible for some Catholics will always do penance.

 

The Devil will be unloosed from Hell in 1864 to chip away at the faith bit by bit.  He could do this from Hell so his getting out is impossibly ridiculous.  “People will be transported from one place to another by these evil spirits”.  This is the miracle of teleportation.  This harks back to the Middle Ages when people believed that miracles were all over the place.

 

The Virgin even said that the dead will be brought back to life!  Rome would become the seat of the antichrist who will be born of a Hebrew nun who pretends to be a Virgin.  She says the Church will be supported by few and predicts many awful things including wars and people being misled by the Devil’s miracles and earthquakes which swallow countries up.

 

If the Devil hates the Church then he wrote this prophecy in order to make people suspicious of the Church and accuse it of apostasy so that it develops an uncontrollable tendency to schism.  Catholics will say it has not but that is not the point for it should still be doing that.  You don’t say that because a murder turned out to save lives in unexpected ways that the murder was right.

 

Melanie certainly invented her secret for she could not remember it all for she was not bright and it was very long.  If she made that up it is most likely that she made up the vision too.

 

La Salette was recognised by the Catholic Church because a spring appeared and there were cures.  But medicine makes mistakes today and so it would have been worse in those days so the cures could have been natural.  The fulfilled prophecy was not sufficient proof.

 

The pope granted a plenary indulgence to all who came on pilgrimage to the site of the apparition. 

 

In the interesting booklet, The Exaltation of the Virgin Mary, by Rev S.G. Poyntz, M.A., B.D. we read, “Clergy of nearby dioceses stated that the vision was an imposture by a lunatic nun named Constance Lamerliere, who had purchased the alleged dress in which the Virgin appeared.  The followers of La Salette argued that this was simply the story of a jealous party who were annoyed because their own shrines were doing bad business due to the decrease in pilgrims.  This story persisted so much that the said Constance Lamerliere took the matter to a Court of Justice.  The Court decided the case against her and threw out the appeal.  This vision must be pronounced a fake and a scandal” (page 25).  So the civil court decided that the apparition was indeed a hoax and that this woman had indeed pretended to be the apparition.  We should believe it rather than the Church court which declared that Mary had appeared.  There were more witnesses to the evidence for fraud than witnesses to the vision.  And the Church court was prejudiced for there was no real evidence that the visionaries saw Mary apart from a good guess as to her identity and the light surrounding the Lady.  Fantasy and excitement can pollute the memory and add in exaggerated elements later.  Moreover, the lies and fanaticism and the occasional insanity and hallucinations of Melanie are against the Church judgement that the visions were authentic. 

 

Mc Clure states that the children called the vision, “The Lady”, rather than giving her any kind of religious title” (The Evidence for Visions of the Virgin Mary, page 34).  This proves that the children had doubts about the Lady’s identity and had suspicions.  Maximin said he believed it was Our Lady but added that he never said it was Our Lady.

 

Melanie said that when she first saw the light the apparition was inside and sitting down in it and Maximin said, “Keep your stick; if it does anything I will give it a good knock”.  Obviously he was not sure if it was a woman so Melanie told a little lie for they had no idea what if anything was inside the light.  The vision occurred in the sunny afternoon so the light could have been a reflection on the golden apron.  Or perhaps the Lady had not come in the light at all but they in their bewilderment they thought she had.  Perhaps there was somebody shining the sun from a mirror unto the lady to make her seem bright and the children said they found her hard to look at for she dazzled them.  That is why we cannot believe this was the Virgin Mary.  In other apparitions, the vision is encased in light but nobody is dazzled.  The Catholic objection to the apparition being Constance Lamerliere is that this lady was in her fifties and heavy.   But with pale makeup she would have looked younger and she was wearing robes that could have made her look slimmer.  Light reflecting from bright clothes will also make a person look younger.    However The Sceptical Occultist  indicates that the lady wasn’t very youthful when Melanie said she was a mad mother who would kill her children.  Maximin indicated the same thing when he said the lady was beaten by her son.  These clues have been ignored by researchers as to the identity of the apparition.  Melanie must have been terrified of the apparition which makes it hard to believe her account of what the lady did and said.  It is more likely that she got Maximin to run with her when she and he saw it and later they started embellishing what had happened.  After all, an apparition that might kill her children would kill Maximin and Melanie as well.

 

The Lady wore a lot of shiny stuff so that could be why she dazzled the children.  The children could not look at her for very long they said for that reason.  If she was that bright they would not have been able to look at her at all.  If she was brighter at times, the reflection of the sun could have been the reason.  The children had been asleep before they saw the light and tiredness could account for their imagining lights and/or mistakenly mixing what is real with imagination (The Evidence for Visions of the Virgin Mary, page 30).

 

Melanie had problems understanding the vision which was talking in French.  When she asked Maximin to help her understand the vision the Lady realised she should have been talking in the local dialect to make them understand and this was what she did (page 120, The Sceptical Occultist).  The real Virgin would have known not to talk in French.  The Lady could not even read minds so she was not a supernatural being.

 

After the Lady disappeared Maximin tried to grab the remaining brightness which shows how easily fooled he would have been.  The way the Lady disappeared – the head vanishing first, then the abdomen and then the feet suggest that she climbed up into something - a tree?  With a light shining on her mistakes could have been made by the witnesses.  Perhaps she just jumped behind a stone or something and the children thought the light was her abdomen and then assumed that her feet were the last to vanish.

 

The way the lady disappeared is so comical that it is unworthy of the Virgin Mary to vanish like that.  It is grotesque for the head to vanish first and then the middle and leaving only the feet left to disappear!

 

Then Maximin said, “Perhaps it is a great saint”.  After they had claimed to have listened to the Lady saying she was the mother of Christ!  They did not know who she was at all!  They were not even sure if she was a saint!  This surely suggests that there was a lot of exaggeration in their original story though they stuck to the public version of it and that Our Lady of La Salette was none other than poor mad Sister Constance Lamerliere in fancy dress!  Nobody denies that after the apparition the children did embellish their story but it is the original story that the Church believes. 

 

The children came down the hill and Melanie said she was sure the Lady was a mad woman who would kill her children but she was less sure because she rose up into the air.  Maximin said he would have thought that she was a woman beaten by her son and who was wandering about.  This tells us that the woman was thought to be mad and evil and had bruises and was older than Mary looked in her apparitions.  This shows that the children lied about the holiness of the vision.  Maximin only told the story when he got back to his employer who wanted to know why he was late.  Was the story made up as an excuse?  Remember they were stupid children.  The children were emotionally isolated (page 121, The Sceptical Occultist) and they might have convinced themselves that they saw someone who cared about them.  Maximin’s employer questioned him severely which would have proven to the children that they needed to stick to the same story.  The Sceptical Occultist says that the vision may be supernatural because it fits patterns from previous apparitions that the children never knew about.  But the clothes of the Virgin were completely different from her usual fashion.  She goes walking with the visionaries instead of standing in one place to be admired.  She tells the children things they must have already known.  The spring that appeared has nothing to do with the springs tradition for it was already there (page 120, The Sceptical Occultist).  The request for prayers and the making of threats would have been thought of anyway without any knowledge of previous apparitions.  And so we must disagree with The Sceptical Occultist. 

 

Psychologists have said that Maximin hallucinated the vision to come to terms with his horrible and lonely past that triggered the same in Melanie whose mind saw what Maximin was describing to her (page 120-121, The Sceptical Occultist).  It is possible that Melanie did not see what he saw but saw something in her mind and later Maximin told her of his experience and she subconsciously manipulated her imagination and memory so that she thought she had experienced exactly what he experienced.  It was false memory and there is no evidence that it was not.  It is certain that with eccentric Melanie, false memory would have been the least of her mental afflictions.

 

It was unfair for the Virgin to expect two children who had suffered enough to suffer the sneers and scorn of the neighbours by telling them they saw a Lady from Heaven with a frightening message.  It would have been different if it could have been discreetly investigated and verified first.  The Devil, if he exists, would be a plausible explanation.  The Lady never said that she should be listened to not because of the threats but because she was right.  The Lady advocated false spirituality based on fear and selfishness. 

 

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BOOKS CONSULTED  

 

 

Beauraing and Other Apparitions, Fr Herbert Thurston, Burns, Oates & Washbourne, London, 1934 

Biblical Exegesis and Church Doctrine, Raymond E Brown, Paulist Press, New York, 1985

Catholic Prophecy, The Coming Chastisement Yves Dupont, TAN, Illinois, 1973

Introduction to the Devout Life, St Francis de Sales, Burns Oates and Washbourne Limited, London, 1952

Looking for a Miracle, Joe Nickell, Prometheus Books, New York, 1993 

Mother of Nations, Joan Ashton, Veritas, Dublin, 1988 

New Catholic Encyclopedia, The Catholic University of America and the McGraw-Hill Book Company, Inc., Washington, District of Columbia, 1967 

The Book of Miracles, Stuart Gordon, Headline, London, 1996  

The Cult of the Virgin Mary, Michael P Carroll, Princeton University Press, 1986  

The Evidence for Visions of the Virgin Mary, Kevin McClure Aquarian Press, Wellingborough, Northamptonshire, 1985  

The Exaltation of the Virgin Mary, by Rev S.G. Poyntz, M.A., B.D., Association for Promoting Christian Knowledge, Dublin, 1955  

The Physical Phenomena of Mysticism, Fr Herbert Thurston, Burns, Oates & Washbourne, London, 1952 

The Sceptical Occultist, Terry White, Century, London, 1994  

The Supernatural A-Z, James Randi, Headline Books, London, 1995

The Thunder of Justice, Ted and Maureen Flynn, MAXCOL, Vancouver, 1993  

 

 

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